I have been asked why I don’t think much of some certain film stars. I thought it’d be impossible to explain but then, I thought “Why not?” I’d like to know, too. I do have an idea, but I didn’t bother to explore that idea until now.
Firstly, here’s a sample of actors I’m not keen on:
- Julia Roberts
- Al Pacino
- Katharine Hepburn
- Brad Pitt (I like him and would watch his films any time, even though he regularly competes with certain cast members in his films)
- Gene Kelly
- Harrison Ford (not too bad in his early films)
- Bette Davis (I do like her, though)
- Joan Crawford
- Marlon Brando
- Hilary Swank
My issue with those actors is that they are consistently selfish in their work.
When I watch a film, I see it as a jigsaw. Or rather, the ‘audio-visual structure’ of the film’s script. Everything in the film has a purpose or meaning. Props, the lighting, colour palette, costumes, transport, weather conditions, dialogue, the framing, editing, everything. Occasionally, a director sneaks – or throws – in few codes, about an ideology or as part of their social commentary. There’s no accident in a film. Everything’s calculated.
Everything’s designed to look and feel organic in all aspects (especially the vital two: sight and sound).while hiding the calculation of it all. This means every single thing within a decent film has its place, so it’s everybody’s job to make each work without destroying the audience’s suspension of belief and compromising all major aspects of the ultimate plan.
All this to ensure that when the story progresses, all these components will (or should) eventually come together – and fit well – as a completed jigsaw puzzle that reveals the full picture. It’s pure heaven when that happens.
It’s frustrating when one piece or two don’t fit with other pieces well. It could be poor direction (an inability to control some notoriously chaotic elements, such as actors, or done in a style that deserves to be shot), miscasting, shoddy performances, poorly chosen locations, poor editing, bad soundtrack, etc. that stuck out like a crap nail in a wall. One of those may bother some more than the others while it’s something else for the rest.
Three of those above that I can’t handle well: weak scripts, bad editing, and – at top of my list – selfish actors.
A typical selfish actor doesn’t give a fuck about the script, cast members, dynamics and such. They use every trick of their profession to ensure the focus will be always on them, however short a scene might be, or to undermine cast members’ efforts within a scene.
Here’s a classic example of what a selfish actor does. Let’s call her Jane, who plays a police detective, and she’s in a scene with two actors who play Brenda the waitress (and Jane’s former school friend) and Max the manager, respectively. The scene takes place in a bristo. The script calls for Jane to say nothing but drink coffee in the background of Brenda and Max’s scene. So imagine this scene below as an one-take shot (a single shot, no cut/break):
Brenda pours coffee into Jane’s mug when Max, walking past her, casually informs her that there’s a change in her work schedule. She has to work late tonight. Brenda isn’t happy because she has a date that night. Max tells her, “Tough shit.”
She sets her coffee pot down on Jane’s table and turns to Max, arguing that he is being unfair. Max snorts and eye-rolls as he crosses his arms. Jane at the table fiddles with her blouse sleeve and checks her wristwatch. Max wags a finger at Brenda’s face, telling her how bad she’s at waitressing. Brenda gasps in outrage. “How can you say that? I’ve worked here for six years! Since I was 15!” Jane rubs her chin as she leans back in her chair. “Stop treating me like a child!” Brenda shouts as she slaps Max’s wagging finger away.
Max shouts angrily, threatening to fire Brenda as she begins to take her waitress’s apron off. Jane discreetly moves her mug of coffee away from them. “You know what?” Max shouts as he waves a fist at Brenda. “I don’t need you any more. You can get the hell out of here now.” Brenda gasps. Jane’s eyebrows arch in surprise as she gazes at the mug in her hands on table. Brenda throws her apron at Max’s chest. “This place will fall around your ears when I’m gone. And you’ll be so sorry.” Max snorts. “Yeah, yeah. Don’t worry. I’ll find your replacement tomorrow. Someone prettier and smarter.” Brenda chokes in outrage and pushes him aside as she storms past.
Jane’s friend arrives through the entrance door as Brenda runs past him, crying loudly. Friend glances around in surprise and sees Jane. Going to her table he asks “What’s up with Brenda?” Jane gives a small shoulder shrug. “Same old story. So… what you got?” Friend sits and announces he’s found out where Villain is hiding. [cut]
To us, it’s just a transition scene between two major scenes. A waitress isn’t happy with her boss. They have a row. She storms out. Yay, Jane’s friend has finally arrived. Now we can get on with the plot. No big deal.
However, to scriptwriters, directors, actors and the others, they are likely to think: “About that actor who plays Jane? I’d kick her arse if she dared to do that on my turf!”
Why? Jane did all these quiet, subtle movements – fiddling, leaning back, facial expressions in a scene that has nothing to do with her. All are designed to distract audience’s attention from cast members’ performances and the purpose of that scene. Either to keep the focus on her or to undermine cast members’ efforts.
Those movements are fine when the actor is part of a scene, but not when isn’t. It’s akin to this real-life scenario: a fairy ballet dancer gives a solemn performance with a row of green elves sitting behind her. While she pours her soul into her performance, we audience see one of those elves pulling faces and sticking tongue out at us, the audience. That’s what a selfish actor does in a scene. Not so obvious, true, but that’s the whole point. Subtlety is the main element.
Ideally, directors would put a stop to it, but they are often too busy to notice the details. Sometimes it’s done so subtly that they don’t see it until it’s too late to call for another take.
This kind of thing is particularly notable in films made during certain actors’ rising statuses. They had obviously learnt tricks of the trade around that time. They all eventually learnt to tone it down (usually when critics via reviews accused them of hamming it up) before they felt secure enough to stop needing those tricks any more.
Of course, they use those tricks again when their careers decline, or when they feel threatened by cast members who they think are trying to steal their limelight (I’m looking at you, Harrison Ford and Al Pacino).
And of course, there are actors who do it to steal bigger names’ limelight.
I’m looking at you, Brad Pitt. Ocean’s 11 with your eating in scenes with George Clooney, Fight Club with your fidgeting in scenes with Edward Norton (but not in those with Helena Bonham Carter), etc. He got away with all that all these years because he did it with a such style and charm that critics forgave him. Feck, even I forgave him. I think he’s made it clear that, through his body of works, he wouldn’t do it if he felt it was upsetting his cast members. He left all those tricks out of that IRA film with Harrison Ford, who’s a notorious hater of anyone who’d dare to do it on “his turf” (presumably because the only one who can do that is himself).
Comedy film actors are a different breed altogether, though.
They all seem to constantly and actively compete with each other – often done to help each other out to make them even better – while ensuring the perfect comic timing. Most seem to thrive on competitiveness and rivalry. I can’t even go there because their stamina, skills and all are too fantastic and complex for me to handle, let alone form an opinion. So yeah, remember that: comedy film actors are in a league of their own. Moving on.
Sometimes, actors who aren’t usually selfish did it now and then. Particularly to actors they don’t like, or to actors they respect and know well. There are some who encourage it. There is an English character actor — actually, I’m not sure if I could name him. He’s never publicised his trade secrets. Hm. Yeah, let’s not name him, to be on the safe side.
This English character actor encourages his cast members to be as selfish as they want when they are in scenes with him. He thrives on this because he apparently feels it helps him to crystallise his focus and (I think) control. I’m not sure how control works in this aspect. I don’t know much about acting, so to actors among you, you’ll probably know what he’s talking about. If you do, please explain!
Anyway, I don’t mind that type if it’s done occasionally. It can be healthy in the name of honing skills. Basically, in my rule book: “Don’t do it too often or you’re off my list.”
I do have to admit it can be quite fun to watch when it happens. Especially openly selfish actors, who understand and respect professionalism. It can be such a comedy show sometimes.
Let’s take Whatever Happened to Baby Jane? (starring Joan Crawford and Bette Davis) as an example. How they tried to upstage each other is hilarious.

Bette did it so blatantly that all Joan could do was control her reactions, e.g. she did her best not to scratch Bette’s eyes out. The fact their characters were Jane and Blanche – ageing sisters who loathe each other since their days as child actors (Olivia de Havilland and Joan Fontaine, anyone?) – had made it easier for them to disguise all their attempts to fuck with each other.
Here is a YouTube link to a WHTBJ? scene where they both subtly manipulated elements to upstage each other while protecting their trademarks. Pay attention to these bits:
1:20–1:45 – This is where Bette purposely prolongs a natural pause in dialogue. You really can see Joan thinking (at around 1:37): “My character is angelic so I must look angelic, but fuck you for trying to throw my pacing off here, Bette!”
I’m not making this up. You can see it throughout the film. All those flash looks of irritation from Joan whenever the pacing of Bette’s line delivery gets a bit off-kilter.
2:10–2:30 – Note Bette’s hands while Joan does her dialogue. You could see (after Joan turned her wheelchair round) how Joan’s shoulders tensed slightly when she spotted Bette’s thumb-wiggling.
You think it’s all Bette? Nope. Take note of the lighting.
[Note: I'm avoiding terminology because I think it's no fun to figure out what this or that term is - such as broad light, shattered, rim light, kelvin, low angle key, accent light, spot light, etc. - while reading this. I'll use them next time if it's not a problem, though.]
There’s no shadow across Joan’s face. Not even once. This is her trademark. And everyone knew she’d kill any cast member who dared to cast a shadow on her face, accidentally or not.
Watch this bit at around 0:50 to see what happens when Bette walks past Joan to go toward a window. Still don’t see it?
Then, look at this part at around 0:10 where Bette walks toward Joan. Look at her shadow when she walks. It falls against a wall and a dresser. See this screen shot for a better look:
This shows one main source is located high in the far-left corner and one in the left corner, and one at below on the right. The rest are directly above.
And when Bette walks past Joan, there should be Bette’s shadow on Joan’s face but instead, there’s a shadow on Joan’s chest. (I tried to capture the moment when Bette walks past her, but I kept missing the moment. Pretend Bette is walking past, okay?)
This shows the light in the right corner had been lowered and diffused. The rest of other sources focus on Joan’s face. The dead giveaway is the hardness of that shadow. It’s really dense and heavy, which shows that the crew worked hard to avoid casting a shadow on Joan’s face without compromising the consistency of earlier shots. If Joan wasn’t that fussy, the shadow would be less hard due to having another light to diffuse or remove that shadow.
What’s the big deal? you ask. This is when it becomes evil and so hilarious.
Throughout this scene from the start to the end, Bette has occasionally and purposely allowed the lighting to cast shadows on her face and often, in an unflatteringly way. Officially, this is to make her character grotesque – an overgrown child star - but unofficially, she did this to fuck with Joan Crawford’s head.
How so?
The idea is that when Joan looks at Bette and sees all those shadows on Bette’s face, she’d get so paranoid – about whether there were any on her own face – that it’d shatter her concentration on acting. Bette knew Joan was fiercely protective of her trademark so she used it to manipulate Joan’s insecurity. Ooh evil of you, Bette.
In another scene, not available on YouTube unfortunately, which had Joan and Bette sharing a poignant moment that for a moment had them feeling connected with each other. That’s what we audience are expected to see. But to the rest? It’s obvious that during this scene, Joan had quietly but completely fucked with Bette’s head.
Bette in real life had an issue with people touching her hands and had rarely allowed cast members to touch her hands. She would do it if the script called for it, but that’s a rarity. Joan knew all this.
Throughout this scene of Bette sharing a painful recollection, Joan subtly and constantly touched Bette’s hands. Seeing how Bette grimly clung to her determination to do her job without answering her primitive need to slap Joan silly is painfully funny. Her professionalism in this scene won me over, to be honest.
It’s also funny how their attempts to outdo each other – while we do our best to figure out which bits are acting and which aren’t – completely overshadows the story itself. The line between fiction and fact does blur in this film. Heh! They were truly amazing with all this elegant dancing on a very thin line between professionalism and unprofessionalism.
Bette crossed the line occasionally, true, but that was her. She had always been ruthlessly honest, so she slipped up now and then. Joan Crawford, on the other hand, wasn’t honest at all, so she was better at being – I don’t know – more conniving with her bag of tricks. She was scarily good, regardless. Their first priority was professionalism bar none. That deserves respect from us.
That’s a difference between Professional Selfish Actors and Unprofessional Selfish Actors. I tolerate professional selfish actors far better than I could with the unprofessional ones, which is probably why I love actors like Bette Davis while I can’t stand actors like Julia Roberts.
Of course, there are actors who are extremely lucky enough to have screen charisma. They can’t help it. They can stand utterly still while something goes on in a scene and yet, our attention cannot help but be drawn to that charismatic actor. Rare, but they exist.
Judy Garland was an oddity. She swung between generous and selfish in her early films, but when she became an acclaimed star, she relied on the others to carry her through. In a way, it’s as if she’d guilt-tripped her cast members into doing all they can to make her shine. She was so needy, fragile and dependent that one would feel guilty if one didn’t help her out. That’s the main reason why I generally don’t enjoy watching Judy Garland’s films. She tends to make me feel uncomfortable. She was charismatic, though.
Whether I like them or not is irrelevant, because they all are still miles ahead of mediocre actors. Such as Katharine Hepburn. I think it’s her charisma and charm that won her an army of fans. Some say she’s also a good actress, but I’m sceptical.
I felt Hepburn was better at comedy acting than dramatic acting. I thought she was great in romantic comedy films, but not so great in dramatic films. I felt she knew this well enough to undermine the others’ efforts to save herself. it cropped up again and again and again through her impressively long career. I found it annoying and disrespectful. Unfair? Feel free to list films that showcase her skills well.
It doesn’t mean I wouldn’t watch their films. I’d eye-roll when they use a trick or two, but yeah. Well actually, I can’t watch a Julia Roberts film. I can’t stand her clumsy attempts to undermining her cast members. She’s been working for how long? 10 years? 15? And she still hasn’t managed to hone her skills. Make it more subtle, damn it! *headdesk*
Oh, about that real-life scenario of a fairy ballet dancer and a green elf I mentioned earlier? My cousin was that dancer and I was the elf. I did it to show her up. For your information, we were eight. She sure did give me a proper beating afterwards, though.


Fascinating post! I’m actually a pretty unobservant watcher of movies, in that I’m aware I miss a lot. (And I’ll wander off while the rest of the family finishes watching a movie.) But I do think the behind-the-scenes stuff is super interesting.
Er, also a Julia Roberts fan, though it very much depends on the movie.
So, Hugh Grant—selfish actor or no?
Heh, thanks. I generally avoid sharing because there’s nothing worse than destroying the innocence of film watching. You can’t get it back when it’s gone. So stay unobservant!
Many adore Julia Roberts. I think it’s because she seems refreshing, honest, vulnerable and many other positive traits. She provides escapism. She’s a film star (not an actor), so easy to see why many like her.
Hugh Grant is generally a comedy film actor so I won’t go there (he seems pretty skilled, though), but as a dramatic actor, I don’t think he is selfish. He doesn’t respect himself as a dramatic actor, not as much as he should, because he tends to leave it to the rest – cast members, script, director, location, etc. – to shine. Example: ‘Maurice’. He’s very, very conscious of his position in an apologetic or guilt-ridden way. As if he felt he was wrong for the role, or that he was the worst aspect of the whole thing. He really doesn’t think much of himself. This might explain why his dramatic performances tend to leave critics feeling underwhelmed. He obviously thinks he’s better at comedy acting (the hardest form of performing, IMO, which I think appeals to his competitiveness and self-imposed punishment) and I supposed he is.
More than you wanted to know, I’m sorry!
Oh no, I wanted to know about him too! That explains China Moon, or whatever that bizarre movie was called.
I dismissed him unfairly until I saw About A Boy, and then even I could tell how skilled he was. Now he’s one of my favorite actors.
Heh! ‘Bitter Moon’ is the one you were thinking of. I actually haven’t seen it. Roman Polanski is an acquired taste so I can only handle a Polanski film every other year (the one I liked so far is The Ninth Gate). I should check out Bitter Moon, though.
The first HG film I saw is ‘The Dawning’, an Irish period/political drama, on Channel Four one late night. You can see here in the trailer that he isn’t so tense as he’ll appear in later films:The Dawning trailer
Yeah, I think About A Boy is his second breakout film, with critics taking him seriously for the first time.
I think Brad Pitt and Hugh Grant are similar in terms of likeability, charm and forgiveness.
I did think Hugh Grant was amazing in About a Boy, that there weren’t actually that many actors who could have done what he did, but that his acting chops got downplayed because it wasn’t heavy drama.
Arse. The link didn’t work. Trying again:
http://www.videodetective.com/movies/trailers/the-dawning-trailer/2978
That wasn’t more than I wanted to know! Thank you!
I was once on a plane home and saw two movies in a row with Clive Owens, one he was opposite Julia Roberts and the other opposite Naomi Watts. And Watts’s acting just seemed so washed out following closely on JR. Though I can see part of it is her being a film star and larger than life. But in terms of engaging me in the movie, a big difference. (Though it’s not an entirely fair comparison, in that JR had a larger, more important role. Watts wasn’t even the romantic interest.)
Okay, I’m just babbling all over the place now!
Have you ever seen Canada’s most famous actor, Paul Gross? (That description is a little tongue in cheek, though he is important to Canadian acting.)
I love Paul Gross. I have watched Slings & Arrows AND Men With Brooms more than once. *cough* several times *cough* I have Passchaendaele in the DVR.
Heh. I’ve seen Men With Brooms twice. I’d like to watch Slings and Arrows again. And I have great love for Due South, especially when Leslie Neilsen or Gordon Pinsent are on. (Sorry, Maili, for going off on my tangents, again.)
Enjoyed reading this too. I’ve never watched a Crawford/Davis film. Although I did see Mommie Dearest and I know that doesn’t count. Appreciate the insider’s info as I am observant but not that observant. I like Julia Roberts in certain films like My Best Friends Wedding. I rarely watch her in anything else.
Re Al Pacino – in Heat, he is really loud. Selfish acting on his part?
Thank you. =D I haven’t seen ‘Mommie Dearest’ yet! Everyone has an actor they don’t like. Julia Roberts is the one for me, but I can see why some like her. And why not?
Oh, Al Pacino. Either that, or he thinks: “intense emotion = shouting”, which unexpectedly becomes his trademark. What was he thinking, I have no bleeding idea. I have a love-hate relationship with him. When he’s good, he’s very very good and when he’s bad, I want to feed him to a pack of starving hyenas for being such a slappable ham.
Curious to know what films of Al Pacino you like that maybe isn’t as commercial? If there is such a film.
Like Sunita, I’d love to read more cinema stuff. This was really good. I even watched the You-tube videos and didn’t see not one shadow cross Joan Crawford’s face.
1. Scarecrow
Mostly because of the criminally underrated Gene Hackman. God, he was good in this. Pacino held up against Hackman well.
Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haMYQfd6dU4
2. Dog Day Afternoon
I still think this film contains Pacino’s best performance to date.
3. Carlito’s Way
I actually don’t remember much about the film now (only bits) as I saw it at cinema, but I do remember how much I enjoyed it.
4. Glengarry Glen Ross
Great little film.
I quite like these as well:
- Donnie Brasco
- Heat (even though I tend to fast-forward those De Niro’s love scenes and Pacino’s family scenes)
- The Godfather 1 & 2 (didn’t like 3)
How about you?
I feel inspired to knock up a list of crime films. Didn’t I say I’d do this some day? Yeah, I did. Will do that now.
1. Heat (I actually enjoyed the DeNiro romance in there, could of did without Pacino’s family scenes
2. Glengarry Glen Ross (love this movie)
3. Godfather I and II only and III as you know sucked
This is so fascinating! More, please. I wish you could give names but I get why you can’t.
Now I want to watch early Julia Roberts movies and watch her do these things. But I agree with you on Brad Pitt. Even though he’s never really appealed to me, I can see his likeability and charisma. Go figure.
He’s not a big name, actually. A complete unknown in the US. He’s been in (I think) only four feature films in 20 years. He appears on TV drama a lot more, mostly secondary roles. I held back his name because I don’t know how he – or any actor – feels about having their trade secrets revealed in public. I can tell you via DM or email if you’d like to know, no problem.
Heh! Please let me know which films you think she’d overplayed her hand.
The ones that come to mind are Notting Hill (where of course she’s supposed to be a movie star) and Something to Talk About. In Pretty Woman my eyes always go to her, but I would have chalked that up to Garry Marshall’s directing. But now I’d have to go back and watch them all to see.
You know what made me really admire Brad Pitt, though maybe I’m giving him too much credit. His role in Burn After Reading, where he plays a very stupid person. I think some actors won’t let themselves appear foolish in that way. He was hilarious, without just being a ham, and to my mind, pitch perfect.
Yes, I agree with you on that, actually. I do like that he has no ego in many of his films. That reminds me, I still have the Jesse James DVD to watch.
Oh, what an enjoyable post! Thanks!
My attention was caught right away cos I dislike at least half the actors on your initial list and have never liked JR in a movie. It’s so difficult to put into words what it is that just doesn’t work for me, but that turn in Erin Brokovich (excuse spelling – that was the Oscar winner wasn’t it) kind of summed it up for me. I suppose for me it’s something about showing perfection instead of showing flaws. There’s this scene they kept showing where she goes through all these numbers or something. It’s irritiating in its Dawson-Creek-esque articulation-level anyway but I hate hate hate the imperviousness of it, if that makes any kind of sense?
Thank you!
Yes, it does. I find that interesting because it has actually two things going on here:
Quite a few filmmakers tend to do it to force us to root for that type of character we don’t usually root for (no thanks to years’ worth of films conditioning us to view that type that way)
Examples: The Accused (Jodie Foster), Working Girl (Melanie Griffiths), Angie (Geena Davis), Cousin Vinny (Marisa Tomei) and Pretty Woman (Julia Roberts).
Filmmakers usually give that type a heart of gold, and maybe magnify their naivety and vulnerability to seal the deal. Like Pretty Woman. High intelligence is the newest addition to that menu in recent years.
In this case, Julia Roberts tends to prefer playing “flawed” characters that aren’t shown flawed. They don’t make mistakes. When they do, it was accidental or done for a good reason. Their actions are ultimately justified. They are keenly intelligent or street smart. Vulnerability is a must. Naivety or a commitment to love is a must if her character has to make a mistake or do something something unethical. There’s rarely a relationship between her character’s stated background and character’s actions.
With all that in mind, I think that’s what puts you off Roberts. It may look as if she’s played a wide range of character types, but when we look at them closely, they are just variations of one type that JR favours.
It’s about consistency, isn’t it? Or habit. That may be why you don’t mind some actresses doing Erin-type roles while you do with other actresses doing the same. That’s my theory, anyway!
Ooops, posted that last comment too soon by mistake!
When I compare that to the actors who just blow me away – Philip Seymour Hoffman, Meryl Streep – you know what? George Clooney! (god, Up In the Air!!) – I must admit, I realise there is a lack of scene-stealingness with them.
I now long to know who your very favourite actors are.